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: that is the suspicion that's shared by a lot of republicans taking it, steve, as almost an article of faith of three weeks, a month, that the president actually wants to go over the cliff and i'm not sure if that's true. i have no way of knowing if that's true. i kind of doubt it. if you look at it, the republicans lose a lot of leverage. they have painted themselves in to this corner. there's no denying that fact. john boehner obviously we know what happened last week. sifting through the wreckage of the plan "b." gone back to plan "a," a bill passed by the congress and extending tax cuts for everyone and sent to the senate. they don't expect the senate to take that. use that as a legislative vehicle and what's today? saturday. new year's eve is -- sorry. today's friday. too much holiday cheer. but come on. i mean -- >> he will be working the weekend. >> reporter: i am. oh my god. i don't want to get started on that. but anyway, you know, there's a lot at stake here. and, you know, it is late for this kind of thing to go on. and really, steve, i know you have been on board for this last several day

's steve sedgwick. good morning. >> very good morning. this is really good news. we expected something along the lines. for so long now americans have not been replacing their cars. the average age of an automobile in the united states is 11 years old. the old is 20% or somewhere in the region of 16 years old. the replacement cycle seems to have started. that led to great news in november topping 15.5 million car sales in the month of november it was 1.14 million cars sold. a little bit of that was the replacement of cars from superstorm sandy. that is really good news there for the auto sector. the markets have been down lately. we had average to poor manufacturing data out of the u.s. in the last 24 hours as well. also keep an eye on the big accounting companies as well. the sec is taking aim at them allegedly haven't handed over the documents that the sec wants to see in relation to chinese companies listing in canada and the united states when those companies listed very often they performed really badly amid accounting issues as well. the sec taking aim at the accountants. >> all

, many of them in to city hall to meet with mayor bloomberg. one is steve barton who was in the theater in aurora more a gunman killed so many people and his view is parallel to what you hear from law enforcement experts who are trained to use firearms who say there is no way in a confused situation on the street, in a theater, in a school that more firearms in the hands of more people makes you any safer, particularly because they're far less likely to be well-trained in their use than the police. >> goldie, you have handled serious firearms in your former life as a marine. is there any possible justification for a citizen to have access to semiautomatic weapons like a bushmaster and a magazine that can hold 30 rounds? what possible sporting justification is there for that? >> there is none. if you are deer hunting, you get one shot before the deer is gone. i don't know that, you know, an m-16 or an ar-15 is a weapon that ought to be available for any civilian. these guns are manufactured primarily for military use. they are not for hunting animals. they are for hunting people, and tha

. so i think that was a very smart strategic move. >> all right, steve. >> i'll look at the senate level, the smartest move, mccaskill's move, saying you know what i think i want to run against todd aiken, and she quietly helped him get the nomination. the rest is history. not only did it help her race, affect her race she had no business winning, there was obviously a ripple effect that helped democrats nationally. >> chris, the best move of the year? >> i think the best move, joe biden, who answered a question honestly without premeditation and frankly in his "meet the press" interview with david gregory when he was asked about marriage equality. and i think all the reporting afterward, was this a trial balloon, were they trying? no, no, no, joe biden was asked a question and answered with a moral legitimate move, a truthfulness that had these remarkable effects that it pushed the president to come clean about his personal evolution, i think that personally made a difference in the campaign. >> my visual on the campaign, we actually had a visual assist on this. "the washington po

to see america's favorite nerd is back at the table. welcome, steve. i hope you feel better. >> that's nice about you. >> i wasn't talking about myself. 1823, silent films star harold lloyd gave us a thrilling moment in american history. here it is. ♪ >> there was no computer generated special effects back then. that was a literal cliff-hanger, and 90 years later it keeps you on the edge of your seat. the literal cliff-hanger is what we have in congress right now. there's little to no doubt we'll avoid doomsday, but for a while we hang over the aabyss in a daredevil stunt of our own making. this makes americans believe congress is a bunch of big, fat liars. when it comes to honesty, congress ranked so low they're second to used car salesmen. it's a fee even harold lloyd wouldn't attempt to pull off in exchange for an over climactic conclusion. today we debay tut the wheel of fortune style. we use it to determine how to refer to the debate. cliff, slope, fiesta or follies. today we go to fiscal fiesta. are you ready for this fiesta party? >> i'm thrilled and very excited, yes. i wis

for republicans. plus, all the political fallout with steve bennan and michael tamaski. and we'll hear from eric cantor next np share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hash tag edshow. we're coming right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for joining us tonight. speaker john boehner didn't have the votes for his own plan b this evening. boehner was desperately trying to save face with his caucus after rejecting an offer by president obama he should have taken. here's what eric cantor had to say just moments ago leaving. >> is there going to be a vote tonight? >> no. >> no vote tonight? >> no. >> will there be a vote tomorrow? >> no. >> are you ditching plan b? will there be a vote today? >> no. >> let's bring in congressman elijah cummings of maryland and also congressman john garamendi of california. gentlemen, breaking news tonight. very interesting. congressman cummings, did you think it was going to come to this? did you think john boehner was not going to be able to get the votes and be able to hold the vote in the house tonight? >> i have a feeling he

for republicans. plus, all the political fallout with steve ben nan and michael tamaski. and we'll hear from eric cantor next np share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hashtag edshow. we're coming right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for joining us tonight. speaker john boehner didn't have the votes for his own plan b this evening. boehner was desperately trying to save face with his caucus after rejecting an offer by president obama he should have taken. here's what eric cantor had to say just moments ago leaving. >> is there going to be a vote tonight? >> no. >> no vote tonight? >> no. >> will there be a vote tomorrow? >> no. >> are you ditching plan b? will there be a vote today? this is flo. i need you. i feel so alone. but you're not alone. i knew you'd come. like i could stay away. you know i can't do this without you. you'll never have to. you're always there for me. shh! i'll get you a rental car. i could also use an umbrella. fall in love with progressive's claims service. who helped make slea difference last yearose for thousands of california

tonight's disaster for republicans. plus, all the political fallout with steve ben nan and michael tamaski. and we'll hear from eric cantor next np share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hashtag edshow. we're coming right back. i'm b. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function. get your first full prescription free and save on refills at advaircopd.com. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thank

steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. with us on set, economic analyst steve rattner. also political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. andrea mitchell. and in new york, msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. and the co-anchor of "street signs," brian sullivan. we've got a lot to talk about, mike barnicle, but i saw a headline on the front page of "usa today," a tease that is very intriguing, and that is one of the greatest players in major league baseball trying to get his worth right now. and if i were a major league team, i would pass on josh hamilton in a new york second because the guy phoned it in when his team needed him the most. there's an attitude problem. and yet he could be such a huge payoff. are the red sox looking at josh hamilton? >> i think any team that's looking at hamilton is looking at no longer than three years with him because of the things you just mentioned. >> he, of course, had an ad

people. time magazine's rana joins us and steve kornacki. it seems to me if you listen to newt gingrich, who has become a commentator every time he's not running for something, you get the sense that you don't want to run against hillary clinton because she's grabbed the scepter. she's quite hawkish on issues like iraq and the middle east generally. i think she's very hawkish xa d compared to most democrats. where is the wiggle room to go against her? >> i completely agree. i think she's done an incredibly great job. she's been incredibly deft at are he positioning the u.s. in a mul multipolar world where we have relatively less economic power. she's managed through digital state craft, through smafert uses of technology to project a soft power and it's been a great credit to our country and i think it's going to be a real tough thing to put in a bad light. >> you know, and, steve, i don't know about your politics on this, i think i'm a little to her left on a lot of thers foreign policy issues like iraq and the middle east. she's positioned herself just where you want to be, a notch o

't talk with your mouth full. >> former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> hold on. let me wash it down with some goo. >> i mean, you all are fit. what? why can't you follow suit? >> it hurts so good. we've got msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman and all-around good guy, harold ford jr. >> when would you ever eat a munchkin? >> i'm at peace here. president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass, and msnbc analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee -- >> very fit. >> -- very much with me on the battle of the munchkins, michael steele. >> absolutely. pass the doughnuts. >> we start with syria, a country coming apart at the seams. president obama a couple days ago making a fairly remarkable statement that we are now with the opposition despite the fact that we don't know exactly who the opposition is. >> we're with the oppositions in the plural. it's a very splintered opposition. coalition's almost too good of a word. the united states has thrown in its political lot

by the supreme court could result in the roe v. wade of guy rights. joining me now is political strategist steve elmendorf and chris geithner, senior political reporter for buzz feed. steve, i want to go to you first on this. there has been a lot of discussion and a lot of back and forth whether it's a good thing for marriage equality for the supreme court to take up these issues. some folks think better to leave it at the state level. there has been a lot of progress there. are you bullish or bearish on this? >> i'm bullish. i think the supreme court is going to do the right thing. you know, it's hard to predict, but i think the country has been moving so fast in the right direction. the court is not immune to public opinion. the court is not immune to the wind blowing through the country. and it's so clear where we're moving and the progress we've made in the last five years has been amazing. and i think the court is going to do the right thing. >> chris, let's talk a little bit about public opinion. because we have some polling that shows a breathtaking change of public opinion on this. in 20

. going to places like indiana, this is the next initiative here, where is the next place. >> steve, which states do you think could be targeted next? >> well, i think the republican party has a strategy here to try and weaken institutions that help working families and help the mill class. it's really sad. you know, the republican party isn't doing very well right now. what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the republican party is going to spend a lot of time trying to do this because it's unfortunate because what the republican party ought to be doing is how to change the message to talk to middle class families. the nbc/"wall street journal" poll this morning said rep

. with me today, ben stein. steve cornaki is joining us, as well. president obama returned to washington moments ago, cutting short his christmas vacation. the president has now spoken with all four congressional leaders, according to the white house communications director he. the house remains on vacation, but there are a few signs of life in the capital. gop leaders have released a new statement with an old message to the senate. the ball is in your court. the statement says the house will take action on whatever the senate can pass, but the senate first must act. well, this morning, senate majority leader reid slammed the house republicans not not even showing up. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we are headed, the house of representatives as we speak with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they will give them 48 hours inside. i can't imagine their conscious. >> well, senator reid is expected to hold a news conference about the talks this afternoon. so here is where we stand. reid wants to ge

former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we saw him on the streets of d.c. yesterday, and he was very cagey. >> the mean streets of d.c. >> yes. he was so cagey. >> he was. >> yes. yes. >> you can't ever ask those guys what they're doing, wherever they are. where you going? with who? a meeting. >> auditioning for a gang is what i'm doing. >> right. >> yes, exactly. lots of luck with that one. >> should we get to the news? >> fantastic. boy, there's some stories here, unbelievable. >> in the least. >> you talk about libya. i tell you what, you've got assad about to cross that red line. he's going to see russia leaving quick. i think you'll see even troops going in there if he starts using chemical weapons against his own people. about to cross the line. egypt, morsi in trouble. the biggest revolt since mubarak was pushed out of power. "the new york times

and former santorum adviser jim brenburger. and steve, let me start with you. the congressman is going to be among five new republicans, including five women. >> first of all, the new senator is actually very conservative. and i think that's good for the party because i think in the most recent elections, we lost sight of the fact that we have to talk to a lot of constituencies. we don't always represent all the people that we should. by bringing in somebody who is not only african-american, but conservative african-american, it gives us a new messenger, and i think that's very, very important to our party. >> well, in both houses, steve, you have a changing demographic. more women as members of congress. more members born in the '80s. you have this dynamics, this emotion from newtown infusing the entire nation. what do you think the cumulative impact might be? >> well, i hope when we start the new congress in january, assuming that we've dealt with the fiscal issues before then, that people will start afresh. in both bodies you have congresses that look more like america than it did.

wondering who is going to be the next treasury secretary. joining me steve rattner, wall street finance year, former head of president obama's auto task force. thanks for joining us, steve. first of all, what about the scenario that oh let's just let them go over the cliff and won't matter and the markets will view it as a nonevent. what do you think some. >> certainly going to matter. there's no question it's going to matter. it's going to matter to the markets. we don't know how much. this is an unprecedented situation, at least in my lifetime. we've had crises and debt ceilings and all that, but going over a cliff like this is a new one. the markets would be volatile, extremely -- a lot of downward pressure on them. and then the question would be how do businesses and consumers behave and quickly do they pull back? everyone knows the immediate impact from the government coming back and spending wouldn't be that great. the question then is how do businesses and consumers react? i don't think it will be a pretty sight. >> what about the debt ceiling? there was a suggestion? geithner's openi

'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>> developing news this hour. protesters rae main out of michigan's capitol building urging the governor not to sign right to work legislation and barring them from requiring workers to pay union dues as a condition of employment. the state house passed both bills today dealing with private and public sector unions. protesters were shouting "shame on you" from the gallery. michael moore said they're up to 15,000 people at the protest. state senate passed both bills last week and now michigan governor rick snyder says he'll sign them as early as tomorrow. nbc's ron mott is there. what's the latest? >> reporter: hey there, good day to you. i'm not sure about 15,000 number but there are still a lot of folks here. most of them have probably started making their away from the state capitol because the measures here to protest have come and gone.

guys happy. >> no. end the suspense for me and steve and crystal and alleviate trey's boredom and tell us how the story will end. >> i wish i knew the answer. my wife thinks i'm an optimist and thinks it's higher is serotonin. think about the politics and so many moving pieces. all this conversation now about the deals that we are talking about and the boundaries are so narrow and nowhere equal to what we need to do. we top the keep america solvent and the advanced government should do. we need to renew the country and we are not even close to talking about that. you can make it very pessimistic even for this higher is serotonin optimist that we are entering a bad period for the u.s. and unless our folks coming to and get their act together. >> a lot of energy and time devoted to an artificially created crisis. matt miller, thanks for joining us. next, have you sent your holiday cards yet? if not, you are not alone. why more americans are taking a pass on this tradition. you ever notice that some people just have a knack for giving the perfect gift? they put real thought into it. and f

by some extent to extend their winning streak to three or more terms in the white house. >> steve smith joining me now and jonathan capehart. steve, i want to you go to chris christie first. that question barbara walters asked him seems to me to be a hurdle he would have to get over in any national campaign. i think barbara is asking what is in the very first set of questions that voters would have on their minds. >> there is no question that its an issue. there is no question it is a legitimate issue. the help of presidential candidates is always a part of a presidential race. it is as physically grueling an experience as you can possibly have. he has done a tremendous job during this crisis in new jersey. it is not analogous to running for president nationally over the course of four years. i think if he is going to be a serious presidential candidate, this is an issue that he is going to have to deal with. i say that as someone who admires him very, very much and hopes very badly that he will run for president as a republican. i think who could help remake the party. >> steve, i do t

and well here. >>> i'm steve kornacki in new york. doesn't matter where you are. we are going to slide down the slope if a deal isn't reached. some faster than others. today, what you don't hear in all of this. straight talk when it comes to your wallet. >>> i'm toure. a big day today. anti-fragile. chaos can be good. oh, we'll make them mad today. >> maybe a little too much chaos for us who's still feeling under the weather, s.e. but we have a whole hour of "the cycle" starting right now. >>> it's basketball thursday here on "the cycle" and we have a classic for you as we relate dr. nasmith to the fiscal whatever here in washington. we take you to washington for last night's cavaliers-wizards game, a classic between the boehner-led cavs at 6-23 against the harry reid wizards at 3-22. pay attention, kornacki. cleveland won. the final was 87-84. this even though cleveland's best player irving missed 9 out of 10 shots in the second half and missed 4 out of 6 free-throws with no one guarding him. >> ouch. >> as for my wizards, four turnovers in the final five minutes falling to 3 wins and 23 l

and "morning joe" economic analyst. steve brattner. >> he came with charts. willie, do you have a chart? >> no. >> he's disturbed. i don't know if you heard this. has he done this to you? >> we have two obesity stories we have to get to. we're not going to break. >> stalling right now. >> the filibuster reform should be passed but not passed yet. our executive producer, alex, comes up to me this morning. like the syndrome, you stay here long enough start walking with a strut. alex corson, hey, call me acc 47. >> he's getting bold. >> yes! >> is that like a phil cavens thing? >> yes! >> i'm like, seriously, karins? so phil cabins? >> the baseball announcer in high school called him phil cabins. that stuck with him. >> think of all the things you've been called. >> i'm called that everyday. apparently i said something yesterday. >> what did you do? >> something about -- >> did you get in trouble? i don't know. i got a call from hugh hewitt. >> the radio guy? >> he's like, did you -- i just want to talk about what you said today. it was like 7:30 at night, the kids are running around, you know. i

this year in 2012. they did that today. amazing. joining us is steve clemmons. he writes at the washington note and atlantic magazine. steve is also a former policy adviser for new mexico senator jeff bingaman. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you rachel. >> am i being naive to think this was going to pass? >> a lot of people thought it was going to pass. of all the treaties, this would be the easiest to pass. there were other treaties pending. this is about people in need and it didn't. this is a branch of the gop that did you want represent all republicans, but it's the obnoxious nationalist wing that really resents any international deal making. there's a lot of worry not just about people with disabilities, but all the other treaties that position the united states and show that it can be the primary sculptor of global affairs, and we're defecting from that as of today's vote. >> so 126 countries ratifying this, but us, not ratifying it. particularly when it's modeled on our law. that takes us out of a global leadership role? >> it leaves a void that the united states is w

's baby and the fiscal cliff countdown thing, it's about to get serious. >>> i'm steve kornacki. fiscal cliff tops the list of banished words. sloped does not agree on the list. i fully agree. >> >>> i'm crystal ball. never again after today. who am i kidding? cliff, cliff, cliff! i can't stop myself. >>> the latest on kim kardashian, kanye and the baby ahead but the other story in the headlines today. america staring down the fiscal cliff. t-minus nine hours and counting and washington is wasting no time. senate minority leader mcconnell saying both sides are close to a deal. it's about time. >> my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain. whatever you want to call it. that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> there are a number of issues on which the two sides are still apart but negotiations are continuing as i speak. but we really are running out of time

, thank you. i want to start with steve on this one. this sunday when given the opportunity to defend hagel, chuck schumer i just mentioned, refused to do so. listen to what this very smart senator from new york had to say. >> that's his choice. i think once he makes it, his record will be studied carefully. but until that point, i think we're not going to know what's going to happen. >> can you support him? >> i'd have to study his record. i'm not going to comment until the president makes a nomination. >> steve, i have a sense that this knocking of this candidate has gone beyond neocons, people of the right. and including people who are just generally pro-israeli which is about most people in politics. i get the fear -- i have to call it fear because i liked hagel, that he may be in trouble now. the shots that have been taken at him about calling it the jewish lobby which is a problem because obviously people are very pro-israeli from the right. to use that term these days is the kind of thing that just ends up causing a lot of problems with people in the middle politically. they'd

about israel and how many times they moved the red line. >> steve, the interesting thing about this syrian situation is there could be other kcountries that decide to act militarily or there could be a coalition that does this. it won't have to be the united states alone. yesterday we had goldberg on, your colleague at the atlantic, who reported israel is preparing, turkey is preparing. i also assume at this point the tax cutter, uae, the gulf states would participate in something like this as well. what do you know and what are you hearing? >> well, i think that's right and i think the right model to think about is libya and what you have in libya and what you may have in syria is essentially an atrocity driven strategy. in other words you get right to the edge of, you know, a benghazi wipeout or a potential real use of chemical weapons and then that drives the coalition response. i think it's highly doubtful that the qatar would take action but highly probable a calculation that involves turkey and thus nato forces were to take action if chemical weapons were to be used and i

could not do that -- sorry. >> peter, you are outnumbered because this man right here, steve kornacki, fully believes it's a fiscal slope and he's branded that on this show many, many times. 2-1 in favor of fiscal slope to a cliff. you're wrong, sir. good night. >> that's a great way to decide it. >> just because you're a -- >> guys, what's for dinner? >> i spend a lot of time on cnbc because you're outnumbered doesn't mean you're wrong. >> good point. >> jared and peter, thanks very much. maybe we'll have both of you back. we'll see. all right. we're waiting on news from the supreme court. they could finally decide to take up the issue of gay marriage today. next in the spinning, boehner and obama one on one. watch out, mr. speaker. you know the president knows how to drive to the hoop. "the cycle" rolls on friday, december 7th. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in ye

, reaction from one of the more outspoken members of congress, steve israel of new york. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. >> we are running out of time. americans are still threatened with a tax hike in just a few hours. i hope we can keep in mind, and i know we will, our single most important goal is to protect middle class families. >> by all means let's complete a deal today so we can go home. let's raise taxes. let's stick it to those rich people-let's not touch spending. >> two people are gathered in a private room trying to negotiate something that has enormous consequences for this country and for our economy. we are where we are because this process was greasily mismanaged up until this point. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of? bikes and balloons, wholesome noodles on spoons. a kite, a breeze, a dunk of grilled cheese. catches and throws, and spaghettio's. that's what happy kids are made of. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more cash. but i'm upp

'm steve kornacki. excited like a kid with a new puppy on christmas morning or something like that. any day you can talk about the intricacies of new jersey politics i love it. >> what travellers are not loving it the holiday travel mess. a check of the weather and what it means to get to grandma's. come on over the river and through the woods to "the cycle." >> we begin with what could only be described as one of the weirdest press conferences in recent memory. with nra's chief wayne lapierre giving what felt less than a news conference and more than a 30 minute case for ending gun violence with more guns. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now. to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. >> oh, boy. this news conference monolog was interrupted not once but twice by protesters who wrote this on sheets. >> nra scope killing our children. it's the n

be good. another movie premiering at the festival is the steve jobs biopick star ashton kutcher. that wouldn't have been my first choice. some are uneasy about him playing the ceo. at least he looks the part. that's kind of what he looks like anyway. >> remember, steve jobs at the end when he was younger was completely -- >> not the 70s look. >>> this is what happens when a tv news team mistakes a tv set for real life. >> all right. let's go back to that picture from sky cam 9. again, a small plane crash. >> we are just getting word that this is being shot as part of a tv show. >> are you kidding me? they might want to tell the news folks when they're doing this. are you kidding me? >> are you kidding me? i love it with the little chicago accent. >> you have to tell the news folks before stuff like that happens. >> yeah. note to control room. please never do that to us. >> you already look bad lynn. >> stay tuned, "way too early" starts right now. >>> the obstacle here continues to be with all the hold out hope that we can somehow go through this process and still deliver tax cu

reporting. >>> now, this morning's first look at your "dish of scrambled politics." comedian steve colbert of south carolina is ready to replace senator jim demint. oh, are you, now? his publicist in an e-mail saying "stephen is honored by the ground swell of support from the palmetto state and looks forward to governor haley's called." >>> some conservatives are having emotional debates over the fiscal cliff negotiations. the arguments for higher taxes for the wealthy are getting very tense. ann coulter even tried a reality check on sean hannity. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing the word lunatic from all federal laws. it's the latest move by congress to remove language seen as demeaning or out of date, like lunatic. >>> and in australia, prime minister julia gillard talked about the suppos

said than done because a lot of kids sit there for hours and it's their baby-sitter, but no. >> steve, i understand that's not your position, but i'm hearing this a lot of from people in hollywood. no response. quentin tarantino was unbelievable incense it actisen. what a total jackass. left wingers say i want to -- there's a slippery slope on first amendment rights. >> it's always a mistake to do exactly what you want to do when in this kind of situation. you have to recognize the political realities and do something. >> right. all right, coming up i meant to end on a thought. >> please end on the thought. "time" magazine managing editor rick stengle will reveal the person of the the year. also chuck todd anded financial times. also meredith vieira and jenna bush hagger on first families remembering thiz christmases in the white house. also, we talk about the other big story of the morning that we still haven't gotten time to get to. benghazi. >> oh, my gosh. >> boy. >> a devastating report. aa devastating report. >> it raising a lot of questions that i wonder p if anyone has the gu

perhaps your message. we have two strategists back with us. one democrat steve mcmahon and republican rick tyler. rick, you first because you guys lost, and i don't mind saying this because i'm heartened by this. i didn't know it was going to happen. i thought the first debate, as i said clearly on the air -- the president said i was having a stroke over there -- i thought there was an opportunity to win if you stayed on that line, we can create jobs, but somehow you got into something else. what happened in this election on issues? >> i was telling steve earlier in the green room that i started to believe it after the first debate also. i didn't believe it all the way up. i was on this program being probably the number one critic of mitt romney, and we tried everything. we tried tim pawlenty and michele bachmann and herman cain and rick perry. i think that was inverted, but we tried newt gingrich and rick santorum, and we arrived at the inevitable mitt romney. >> you ended up with a weak candidate. >> in many ways yes. >> do you think any of the other guys or women that you passed over wo

of voter latino and steve kornacki is my colleague and a senior writer for the salon.com. john, the president's inauguration hasn't taken place yet and the political pun dut tri sauf and running with a premat touour nomination for je bush. if he's a brilliant candidate four years from now, why didn't he run this time? >> why didn't he run? >> yes. >> why didn't portman run? why didn't john kasich run? even in 2012 and as difficult as the situation was for president obama, those heavyweights within the republican party saw the writing on the wall, that it was going to be a very difficult race for even the best candidate, so they all held their fire for possibly 2016, so that's why you're seeing people talk about jeb bush and others. i left chris christie out of that mix as someone people were hoping would run, a strong candidate who would run in '12. that's why you're hearing the names come out now. jo ama >> amazing. newt gingrich, a man who knows a thing or two about the ladies, says hillary clinton would be close to unbeatable if she close to run. do you think we're looking a

're shaking your head, steve, so you get it first. people think, 12 years of intense pressure on you. 4 years of running, 8 years of serving, into your late 70s. does anybody want to inflict that on their lives at the end of their life basically? your thoughts? >> i think there's a compelling case she doesn't run. 1992 they came to the national stage, and they have been on the national stage since then. for 15 of those 20 years all the way through 2007 she was -- she and her husband were the top targets of the right in this country. she called it the vast right wing conspiracy. there was something to that. it's not that they absolutely will beat her in 2016, i think she could beat them, but it's an issue of do you want to endure that kind of day-to-day attack politics, vicious politics, for another four years, for another eight years, or do you want to say i have proven enough in public life and i want to do something else? >> i don't know. i think she showed no signs of her energy lagging as secretary of state, and that's a pretty tough job, too. i'm not saying it's as vicious as running for

. speaker. >> congressman steve israel reacts to the gop's bizarre behavior. plus, today's big gm news means the death of a righty talking point. >> government motors. >> government motors. >> government motors, david cay johnston on a huge success story for government intervention. and the invisible man sitting next to clint eastwood wins time's person of the year. >> what do you mean shut up? >> tonight presidential historian douglas brinkley on barack obama, abraham lincoln, and spider-man. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the president gave all americans a lot to work with today and a lot to think about in the coming weeks. president obama recognizes the mood of the country. there is a real sense of urgency to pass common sense safety laws in the wake of the newtown shooting massacre. the president knows this is going to be a heavy lift. >> that's why i've asked the vice president to lead an effort that includes members of my cabinet and outside organizations to come up with a set of concrete proposals no later than january, proposals that i then intend to pu

to carry guns. joining me now is dr. steve perry, host of "save my son." steve, good to have you here and hearing about what's gone in virginia and the possibility of teachers might be given permission to carry a gun in to the classroom. much of this debate has been fueled by the fact that the ceo of the nra said it's only going to take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. are you worried about where this conversation is doing and that's the slippery slope, talking about stopping guns? >> absolutely. what we have done is allowed hysteria to step in and get us afraid of what was otherwise a safe setting. the american public schools are safe. approximately 70 million children went to school last friday and came home. their schools are not unsafe. in fact, whether it be virginia or new jersey, in my school in hartford, we have ten different points of entry or exit as they're designed to carry the load of 700 children. you would have to post an armed guard at every single door and even if you did, if they came in with an assault rifle, with 30 rounds in the clip, they're go

from congressman steve israel, democrat from new york. stick around for that. >>> the other big developing story we're following, secretary of state hillary clinton in a new york city hospital this morning being treated for a blood clot. her spokesperson says the clot was discovered during a routine followup exam yesterday in the wake of the concussion she suffered several weeks ago following a fall. now, nbc news chief science and health correspondent robert bazell is live from new york there in front of the presbyterian hospital. bob, what do we know about secretary clinton's condition and how she is being treated right now? >> richard, we know precious little. we had the one statement yesterday evening from secretary clinton's staff that said she suffered a concussion that was related -- excuse me -- suffered a blood clot related to this concussion. usually when somebody has a blood clot related to a concussion it is in the brain and would not be treated with anticlotting drugs. she is being treated with anticlotting drugs. so maybe she has a blood clot someplace else. we don

: steve smith's granddaughter was in vicki soto's class. he went to rosen's house. his heros are the teachers. >> whatever actions they took to divert his attention, they're the ones responsible for her being here with us today. >> nbc's anne thompson reporting for us. >>> there is other news to get to. new developments involving the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in bengahzi. an independent report is placing most of the blame on the state department for failing to provide proper security for the compound. the panel concludes that systemic management failures at the state department resulted in "grossly inadequate security at the consulate where four americans, including ambassador chris stevens were killed. the report says the u.s. relied on poorly skilled local militia members to help safeguard the facility and investigators found no evidence that the attack was sparked by an anti-muslim video. the review board made 29 recommendations to improve embassy security and secretary of state hillary clinton has reportedly accepted every single one of them. >>> with the fiscal

of "the cycle" here on msnbc. steve kornacki and crystal ball. am i missing something or is the gop pretty much the same as the old gop? >> at this point you haven't seen the policy shift the party's going to need to make on some of the biggest issues. to give them a bit of the benefit of the doubt, there's three things i would look for in the immediate future. the most pressing would be if there is a deal here on the fiscal cliff. and it does involve raising the income tax rates on high-income people. do republicans go along with that deal or stick back to the anti-tax, anti-tax on the wealthy sort of posture they have for years? the second would be guns in response to what's in the news this week. will there be any shift from republicans in recognition of where the party's been? will there be a shift there? and i think the third coming will be immigration. you talk about the latino vote there. the big move will be for there to be a big immigration reform next year. and do republicans moderate themselves on that or are we still stuck where it's everything is amnesty and it's off the table

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to see how they can vote on something before newier's eve. >> marty, to steve's point, one of the major source of pain is the payroll tax cut. when they negotiate a deal, unfortunately it's going away. i was taking a look at something nate was writing as he wants to do, talking about the numbers here. specifically looking at the break down of who was in the house. between tea party republicans of which there is a lot and blue dog democrats of which there few and liberal democrats. he is basically making the point that if boehner does want to stick with the principal that he is going to pass something with a majority of his caucus, he will need a significant amount of support or some support from liberal democrats, not just blue dogs. what kind of a deal could realistically get to the house that holds together most of the caucus and also brings along some liberal democrats? >> that's where we are stuck. if we can figure this out, you know that john boehner and nancy pelosi and the wimps in the chambers are trying to figure it out. the right combination of the income threshold for tax inc

to fight for it. joining me now is congressman steve coen, democrat from tennessee and former pennsylvania governor, ed rendell. thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> good evening, rev. >> nice to be with you. >> congressman, let me start with you. the president said nobody can get a hundred percent of what they want. but you've seen the right wing republicans in the house. they don't seem to get that. >> no, they don't. they're an immature group, politically. many of them were new to politics in 2010 and they came with the idea of no revenues and no taxes at all. and they -- you think you can see what the president has had to deal with for the last two years, people have questioned the president and his working across bipartisan ways. he's tried to be bipartisan, but this group is rigid, immature. rich mcconnell wanted to beat the president. now, the president can't be beaten. they came to washington to change washington, but their main concern is reelection and they don't want anybody saying you raised taxes or you tax anybody, even the uber rich. >> but congressman, i want to

to get back to my christmas list here. let's see. casey dolan gets a girls' scholarship. steve lewis, steve got desks last two >>> good evening, americans, welcome to the ed show. i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. the president cuts his vacation short to come back to washington, d.c., meanwhile, house republicans are literally phoning it in, this is the ed show, and as ed would say, let's get to work. >> this is something within our capacity to solve. it doesn't take that much work, we just have to do the right thing. >> six days away from the fiscal cliff and there are real consequences to millions of americans if no deal is cut. congressman elijah cummings and ryan grim of the huffington post are here with the latest. a tea party giant stages a coupe with his own office. the details on dick armey's hostile takeover. the nra is catching heat from all directions. >> i don't think the nra is listening, i don't think they understand. >> georgetown university law professor, david cole on the growing drumbeat against the nra. >>> six days until the price of milk shoots up to $8 a

latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations or non-negotiations, new york congressman steve israel, chairman of the congressional campaign committee. we're waiting on hearing from john boehner, but it appears that nothing is -- that no progress is being made, that we're walking backwards just as time is running out. what is your take from up there? >> i think you're right, unfortunately. you know, chris just said that this is a bit of a gambit by speaker boehner, and he is accurate. the thing is that we need fewer gambits and more governing. the republican -- the house republicans have just refused to govern. it has been cliff after cliff, shutdown after shutdown. it has been politics over improvement. this is just proof of the pudding. the president of the united states has offered compromise after compromise, and every time it looks, andrea, like we are close, the republicans move further away. they are more interested in partisan politics. they're more interested in preserving their careers than they are in preserving the economy for the middle class. if that wasn't the case, they would h

to the president, david axelrod joins the conversation. also "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. keep it right here on "morning joe." >>> we do not intend to spend -- send members home after this vote. we want to stay here. we want to avoid the fiscal cliff from happening. and again, i think that the decision is for the white house and the senate democrats to come join us so we can avoid the tax hike on american people and avoid the fiscal cliff. >> no vote today? >> nope. >> will there be a vote tomorrow? >> nope. >> are you ditching plan "b"? >> will there be a vote today? >> no. >> what happens next, mr. cantor? >> all right. it's a little bit of a contrast there. a live look at the white house. welcome back to "morning joe." harold ford jr. still with us. and joining the table is former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. also with us from chicago, former senior adviser to president obama, now the director of the institute of politics at the university of chicago, david axelrod. good to have you all at the table this morning. all right. >> david ax

me at the table is westin solutions, inc a company doi doing. steve coll and president of the new american foundation and a staff writer at the new yorker magazine. francis bernanke and dan dicker is it still at the table. i'm really curious about how this boom is going to transform american politics. i'm particularly concerned about climate, right? it seems to me that we are basically in certain ways headed in exactly the wrong direction, but also at the same time headed in the right direction. here's what i mean by that. k carbon emissions are the lowest in the country since 1992. that's largely because every btu of natural gas you substitute for coal, you get 50% of the emissions. at the same time we have this foss fill fuel boom, we have this decline in the carbon emissions. i wonder how should i feel from an environmental perspective about these two facts that seem to be in deep tension with each other? >> i think the main thing, chris, is we have to get on a path way to reduce emissions over time. natural gas is better than coal, but it does not get you there. you have to ha

have made it particularly difficult to wrap our heads around. joining me now is steve perry, host of tv's "save my son" also founding of the capitol preparatory magnet school. steve i'm glad you're here. we talk about schools. we as parents think that they're supposed to be sanctuaries for our kids. how did things get to this point and why? >> well, it's important that parents understand that over 65 million children went to a public school yesterday, and the overwhelming majority of them came home safely. your children are safe in schools. this was not a school shooting. this was a shooting that occurred at a school. this was a deranged individual who chose to kill people in a school, children and teachers. >> you make a good point. i have to say, steve, i've had a psychologist, a criminologist on the set here with me named james fox who authored a book which talks about violence in schools from preschool through college. the fact is there is enough information to put together a book on this. what do you think it is about schools that appeals to the minds of disturbed people like this?

. feels like membership. >>> good morning from new york. i'm steve in for chris hayes who will appear later in the program interviewing dan savage. it's about dan's marriage in washington state. they are one of the couples getting married there. after voters extended marriage rights to same-sex couples by popular vote last month. we have david johnston, the author of "fine print." he's a pulitzer prize winning tax writer at new york times and now at the college of law. we have the president and ceo of the center of american progress who served in the obama and clinton administrations, policy director of hillary clinton's campaign. laura flanders, founder of grittv.com. the editor of salon.com and the woman who hired me two years ago. thanks, as always for that. >> of course. >> anyway, on friday afternoon, house speaker john boehner attempted to paint a picture of white house negotiations and how to avoid going over the fiscal curve. i have been saying fiscal slope. now on the show, i'll go with curve. >> this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. four days ag

very much. we'll hear from democratic congressman steve cohen in just a moment. happy holidays to you. thank you for being here. >> you, too. >> later, we'll take you to schools that are two steps ahead of the nra. hear why they think armed guards walking the halls are the way to go, plus what the president does that makes his daughters cringe. we want wait to hear that. this is msnbc. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty

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